Gay Parenting: Promise and Pitfalls | Dave Rubin | EP 266

Freesers 😂😂😂😂😂 boy u aint got no idea, mothersmilk is adapted to the baby at that specific moment , it isnt cows milk, further I think Candace Owens is right , this is pure selfish.On the other hand caring for an orphan by any loving adulf is a plus, so adopt

Interesting that Dave is deliberately and purposely lowering the Ideal to fulfill his desires. At that point I believe he is in fact lying to himself by not striving to live up to his own standards. Maybe adopting children without a family would be more in line with what is saying he stands for. Bottom line, he is not being consistent with his approach and maybe his own children will hit him with hard questions by asking him, where is my mom?

You’re sick!

This is very, very hard to watch. I shed a tear. Why, why Jordan?

What is it going to take to get through to you it is just wrong.

This is so perverse. Grew up with same sex parents. The damage that this causes for children is sickening. Please reconsider Dr. Peterson.

The children should be taken away from Dave and given to a proper stable mother-father family

Do we really have quality studies about gay parenting?

One of the most fascinating conversations I've ever heard. Two incredibly articulate intelligent and interesting men having an open conversation. The world needs more of this.

I've had much admiration for Jordan Peterson. I'm always amazed at your common sense and wisdom, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing about your views on parental gay marriage. Do you not realize what goes on in a gay marriage!?! Men sodomizing each other! These 2 children will be raised believing this type of behavior is good and normal. You know this is far from the truth! These kids will not be given a chance at a normal life from the git go. This is right down evil! Child abuse! May God have mercy on us.

I had a gay relative who ventured to have kids.
I simply pointed out that no matter what your asseverations are, you are intentionally depriving your child of the parent of the opposite sex.

He has now, unfortunately, lived to regret that decision and has to live with that guilt forever, and so does every family member who tacitly supported his actions.

Interestingly he exhibits significantly more contrition than does the family who compromised their principles to support it. They mostly still make excuses for their actions.

Dont do it.
Now all we can do is stand by and watch the train wreck, helping out in whatever highly limited way we can.

Whats also interesting is most of his support came from women. Its profound how utteely ignorant women are of their neccesity in child rearing that they would support anyone who would intentionally cut out the female influence from a childs life, and support whats essentially the practice of using a strangers womb as an incubator for hire, as if the pre birth conditions dont matter, and basically after all this so called progress again uses a womans body as a commodity.

If you want to be gay thats your business. You make your choices and you will deal with them. But when you bring an innocent baby into the mix for yourself to have a more complete and fulfilled life, that's doing it for yourself you're not thinking of the impact on the child. I don't believe any baby should be brought into a gay marriage. You remarked that it would be a more "fulling life" with children in it but where is the concern for the baby? There is nothing a man can do to emulate the softness in a female, a mother who breastfeeds is much better for babies. You've rationalize that other gays gave adopted. But who has done an in depth study on the children of gay parents?
These children no doubt love their parents because that is all they know., but they weren't given a choice. Similar to aborted babies, the liberals push these non normal types of agendas. Psychologically, I dont believe they were given a chance to have "a more "fulfilled" life, as the parent gave himself. In addtion they have been indocrinated in a offhanded way.

31:30 Jordan with much respect, I understand that it is your friend. But here. The Bible is not to be " actualized". Jesus is a real Person, He is God. He does not actualize Himself for a fleshly humanity bound to end when He will come back again to throw Satan in the eternal pit of fire.

It is not about tradition to not acknowledge gay alliances. It is about donyou fear God or do you fear men.

It is about ate you more Loyal to God than to Man.

Endorsing gay marriage as somewhat accepting to God is something else.

Jesus loves gay people but to Him gayness is a sin. So Christians love gay people but in a church setting being all encompassing about gay marriage, and even in our daily lives encouraging ppl or endorsing people to be in gay alliances is Sinful.

We can love.
Endorse is sth else.

Yes it is good to talk about the difficulties experienced by children en parents in that gay parenting situation. But presenting it as acceptable to Christ or Christian is Sinful.

Discussing this matter in that fashion is good. But the line between endorsing/accepting it and understand the phenomenon is blurry at times. Be blessed. James 1:5

It's all becoming a Macary!!!!!!!!!!!

My personal belief is that a child deserves a mother and a father, that is the ideal. Why couldn't these two men do volunteer work for inner city children or find other meaningful pursuits in life? Plenty of other people have found meaning through service? This discussion is mixing truth with error and is a mockery of God's plan for families. My faith wrote "The Family, A Proclamation to the World" back in 1995, a prophetic and timely revelation…

"All Human Beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children. The First Commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

We Declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

Husband And Wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalms 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, to teach them to love and serve one another, to observe the commandments of God and to be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations."

"The Family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We Warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

A good discussion, honest, enriching for the listeners, but the fact remains that the gay interlocuter has the money to buy the lifestyle he feels is right for him. There is something not quite right about it all. If it's biologically impossible, why not just accept it? Wanting to have it all seems to me to be one of the problems plaguing humanity. And using a surrogate is another topic for discussion.

Children have a natural human right to their parents. Intentionally depriving them of that is selfish and cruel. Boys and girls need male fathers and female mothers so each knows how they should treat and be treated by the opposite sex.

I understand that people want to marry the one they love. But the issue of surrogate mothers is a complicated one. No one is talking about this.

Thank you Dave Thank you Jordan

Both my kids have step parents after their father and I divorced. They also have half brothers, one from me and one from their dad. The connection my children have with their step father, particularly my daughter, is astounding. Their step mother and bio father treats them differently than their younger brother as he is their favorite. Their step father treats them as if he had sired them himself. He refuses to let anyone call their half brother i am birthing, due in August, their half brother. He says there is no half, though biologically, we know that to be true. Sometimes nurture overrides nature, especially when the connection is established early enough. My kids were 5 or younger when they met their step dad. They were over 8 when they met their stepmother, after their father had many girlfriends he'd bring around them. Stability is where it is at.

The gay community started all this grooming
You moved the goal posts to what is moral and right.
Now you don’t like the very gay community that is grooming the kids.
Groomers beg for the same rights.

Where are the additional expressions, this gent wanting to dissacociate himself from, Q +, x, y, z, ?

This is perplexing, kinda think his number one is himself, and slip sliding into (excuse that!), what advantage, privilege others have, to on be a on par, then better, than.

Rocket science?

This is the tough one.
If a person has done, said, thought, nothing ever, to prevent the takeover of their country by ' the peaceful people', who on earth is going to associate with such, let alone procreate with them?

5:58. In the 80s and 90s, I don't think that any of us thought about our future. With the AIDs epidemic going on without effective treatment, and with widespread discrimination and violence against gay people, none of us expected live to be 40. The idea of becoming parents was irresponsible at best because under these conditions, we could not commit to raising anyone for 18 years and beyond. The closest thing we had to marriage was setting up corporations with shared ownership and trusts and domestic partnerships that were recognized by a few local municipalities. The arrangement we had was forming an unincorporated association registered with the California Secretary of State and a domestic partnership registered in Berkeley.

Incredible and enlightening discussion between two great thinkers who have the intuitive sense of knowing what is right and wrong in our country and how to improve it and hoe to deal with the bizarre Left who are the true racist, haters and divisive. Love to be the fly on the wall when these two have dinner together and discuss things that matter, Bravo to the both of them.