The executive director of CDE, Ann Bernstein, joined Ashraf Garda in the National Pulse of SAFM, to discuss the growing ineffectiveness of the Department of Development of Small Business. She has said that “the State spends up to R6 billion a year to support small businesses, however, the Government itself has admitted that the sector is small and growing growing, characterized by a low survival rate.” This interview occurs after the launch of the latest CDE report, Action eight: let the private sector boost the development of small businesses.