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The top podist in the USA is expanding its audio empire of 250 million US dollars to build a mystery and thriller brand for film and television

Good morning! Paramount and Trump are still a settlement about the CBS Newslagen, Kathy Warden Northrop Grumman invested in the startup of rocket developers, and the top podcaster in the USA believes that they want true crime -even if they have not yet listened.

– Listen to. In an average week in the first three months of this year, 6.4 million Americans listened to Crime judge. This is the real criminal podcast of Ashley Flowers, who has built up an audio empire based in Indiana in the past seven years-and now ambitions to turn it into a real media empire.

Crime judgeThe listener statistics make it a number 2 podcast in the USA -and make flowers the nation’s top podist. (Alex Cooper Call her dad Is No. 4.) “I will get Joe Rogan one day,” joked Flowers when I spoke to her scenery in one of her live shows in Seattle last month. Thousands of fans had driven hours to see flowers personally, where she told the story of an unsolved murder from 1987 and the subsequent illegal conviction. She even mobilized her audience to take measures and encourage them to contact the Attorney General.

Flowers is the creative force behind her show, but the 36-year-old also brought a second job as CEO of the parent company Audiochuck with 70 employees and 20 podcasts. “I didn’t come out of a media background,” says Flowers, who started before I started Crime judge Has business development for a software company. “I was only shabby and wore so many hats.” It usually arrives in the office at 4:30 a.m. to meet these double roles. The hard work paid off when Audiochuck achieved $ 45 million profit last year. According to Bloomberg (Flowers strong low overnight costs in Indiana to allow this number) and an assessment of $ 250 million. Flowers has released two mystery novels (the second, Early this month) And also has her own channel on Siriusxm, which also takes over advertising for the Audiochuck Podcast Network.

Ashley Flowers, moderator of “Crime Junkie”, extends her podcast temple in film and television.
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She is obsessed with true crimes and says that she remembers the facts of every case she has ever worked on – and hundreds of Podcast episodes. “It is only human nature for us to understand things that make no sense,” she says. “Solve puzzles – your brain tries to fit the parts together.”

Flowers is now putting on a new CEO, Assets is the first to report. Matthew Starker arrived from the Endeavour streaming, where he was Chief Business Officer. After an investment of 40 million US dollars, he joins Audiochuck From the Chernin group in February – and is commissioned to bring the thesis of flowers to life that the audience is much greater for true crimes than the 6.4 million that hear themselves Crime judge. According to stronger, the entire addressable market for real criminal fans worldwide is 230 million. “If you are happy to enjoy someone who tells you an amazing story with rotations and twists with edge-of-your slots, you will like it Crime judge“Says stronger.

Audiochuck aims to start in film and television – which caused flowers to make external investments to help her control new industries. “The fortune and the IP, which you have built up and expanded them in video and television, is just so much potential,” says Starker. Some of it will still be true crimes – a TV adaptation of Crime judge Something like a modernized look Date limit– But it will also follow scripting content in mystery and thriller genres. (Under what name – audiochuck? Crime judge? Flowers’ they themselves? – is still tbd.) “What blumhouse is a horror, I want audiochuck for mysteries and thrillers,” says Flowers.

Emma Hinschliffe
Emma.Hinkniff@Fortune.com

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